Conspiracy Theory: “Police State”

Posted by courage On December - 27 - 2010

As a beginning allow me to acknowledge that there is evil in the world.  Political evil (PE) is generally perpetrated by those (mainly males) who have money and power.  In terming this evil, I am advocating that any who wish to destroy the freedom and liberty given to us as people through our inalienable rights as evil.  The PE, both individuals and groups, seek to fundamentally change this country.  In speaking to fundamental transformation, I am speaking specifically to their desire to move the United States away from a democratic republic to a totalitarian state masked in the benevolent disguise of justice, whether that benevolence is shaded in social, environmental or economic terms or reform.

In recognizing evil one must be able to ascertain whether the information they receive is factual, this itself can be time consuming.  In our hectic world we seldom seem to have time for the things we enjoy or which are important to our lives, let alone time to run down every claim of conspiracy that happens to pop up.

As humans we seek order, we seek connections which help us categorize and make sense of our world.  In viewing conspiracy theories, we look for aspects of the theory which we have factual knowledge of and suddenly that small sliver of truth cements the entire theory as fact in our mind.  Instead of researching the claims made we make split second decisions on truth based on one factual piece of knowledge or on the celebrity status of the individual making the claim.

Oh yes we assure ourselves the decision was made with full self-autonomy and void of the star status of the individual but what if this was your Uncle Joe making this claim, how ready would you be to jump on board?  Or lets say it was your preacher, and do not ignore there have been a number of instances where those who we give high placement in society have fallen with a loud THUD, once their true motivation was exposed.

Recently I have a number of people who have brought up Jesse Ventura’s  “Police State” conspiracy, some asking my opinion about the information presented yet most citing it as absolute truth. Some of these believers have never even seen the show in question which aired on TruTV and have only heard of it by word of mouth. Apparently an encore presentation which was scheduled “mysteriously” was canceled, according to believers of this conspiracy as a result of government pressure because of the truths expose by Ventura, which he does get paid a Hollywood salary to create. Some believers started yelling that the cancelation of the rerun was an infringement of Ventura’s First Amendment rights to free speech.  It is nothing of the sort.. period.  Heck even if the original broadcast had been cancelled, which is was NOT, Ventura could not claim amendment protection.

TruTV paid Ventura to produce X number of shows, as an employer TruTv can choose to NOT air any of the shows Ventura produces, they may find the ratings to low and would rather air reruns of Full Throttle.  As long as Ventura gets his contractually agreed upon pay check from TruTV he has no rights period.

For those interested and who may not have seen the show it is available on You Tube.. shh, the government may not be aware that You Tube exists.

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So lets sit down and wade through the conspiracy theory which Ventura states as fact.

First and foremost his claim that FEMA is operating detention camps through legislation is blatantly FALSE. He continually makes claims that funding for these detention camps was allocated by, H.R. 645 National Emergency Center Establishment Act introduced in the House on January 22, 2009.  Mind you there is the sliver of truth, yes the bill was submitted yet it has sat in committee for almost a year without passage.

In fact there are many bills which sit in committee year after year without ever leaving said committee.  Yet Ventura continually alludes to the misinformation that this bill is law, that there is federal money being allocated for its enactment and that you sheeples better wake up .. they are coming to get ya.  There are more than a couple bills which I know of in committee which I would never want to see the light of day yet I find it unproductive to rally people around bills which may not make it out of committee, let alone insinuate to people these bills have passed when they have not.

Next up Fusion Centers: yes these centers do exist and yes many of the stated concerns by Ventura and guests are real.  The ACLU back in 2007 was issuing reports on the establishment of these centers and the threats to our civil liberties they posed.  From their 2007 report, “ What’s Wrong With Fusion Centers,” which lays out the concerns Ventura presented plus a couple additional ones (read the article at the link):

The lack of proper legal limits on the new fusion centers not only threatens to undermine fundamental American values, but also threatens to turn them into wasteful and misdirected bureaucracies that, like our federal security agencies before 9/11, won’t succeed in their ultimate mission of stopping terrorism and other crime.

The Washington Post earlier this year filed a multi-article investigative report which was the culmination of two years investigating governmental monitoring of the public.  In “A hidden world, growing out of control,” they state:

The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work.

These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

The investigation’s other findings include:

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

Read the rest of this article at the link above.  As for the remaining multi-article report on the monitoring of US civilians by the Federal government read “Monitoring America,” along with the links at the bottom right of the page under TSA Index.

One good reference Ventura offered was Operation Defuse.  An interesting and informative site, under their “Take Action!” one helpful feature is form letters for Freedom of Information requests.  While I culled out this piece of information I wonder, how many who watched this episode of his TV series bothered to even check on this link?  The reason I ponder this is because if you gain information without taking action, you are no different than the sheeples who never seek truth or knowledge.

Next up the T. Don Hutto Residential Center which Ventura placed so prominently in the center of his detention camp scenario.  A quick review of easily googled information shows this facility, with the two fences, playground equipment and barbed wire to keep people in the facility is an ICE detention center for those arrested illegally in this country.  So now what, sort of destroys Jesse’s theory?  I can understand why the people at the facility appeared apprehensive to talk with Ventura about the type of facility it is, given the politics surrounding illegal immigration.  I can see groups like La Raza and other various pro-illegal immigration groups protesting in front of the facility.

The Counsel of Governors with its board of 9 state governors and 1 from Puerto Rico is in fact true.  Obama set them up by Executive Order on January 11,2010 under a provision set forth in the fiscal year 2008 National Defense Authorization Act.  This is concerning because it could be an end run around using military to police circumstances in the United States.  This is subject for a future post since this power grab was given by Congress so can it be taken away, with the Executive Order being challenged as unconstitutional.

How many people do you think die each year in the United States?  Go ahead and guess…  according to the Center for Disease Control approximately 2.5 million die.  Ventura was aghast at the sight of coffin liners at a manufacturer of  <surprise>  funeral products.  First, according to my notes Jesse claimed there were “100’s of 1,000’s” on site, later he rolled down that number to tens of 1,000’s.  A with minimal digging on the Vantage Products Corporate site, you can find out that at one time they were owned by Hercules before they were purchased by the current owners.  In fact, while owned by Hercules they manufactured a more diverse product line than now, with their business solely focusing on funeral products.

Now my question if a company’s sole focus is in burial products, how many coffin liners should they have in stock ready and available for customers?  And assume that Vintage Products only sells in the United States and Canada since that is where they list distributors, since I have no way of knowing if they also sell Internationally.  Okay morality rates each year in Canada are quite a bit lower than in the United States which is logical since the population is far less.  Canada comes in with 250,000 deaths annually. Ventura gives the impression he is absolutely shocked and horror-struck at a number which he can’t quite put a finger on 100’s of 1,000’s or 10’s of 100’s.  For the sake of argument would the number 50,000, seem like a lot?     If the number is bumped up to 100,000, in the raw factual data of deaths from the two countries that is not an unreasonable number of units.  If Ventura or anyone has trouble understanding why a company with a limited business focus would not stockpile 100,000 product units, please never go in to business because you will fail.

Next up for review is the $385 million awarded Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) a subsidiary of Halliburton to build detention centers.  Taking a ride in the time machine we land in 2006, when KBR was indeed awarded a time limited contract to build detention centers in case of a massive influx of illegal immigrants

From the New York Times 2006:

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year.

The contract with the Corps of Engineers runs one year, with four optional one-year extensions. Officials of the corps said that they had solicited bids and that KBR was the lone responder.

A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Jamie Zuieback, said KBR would build the centers only in an emergency like the one when thousands of Cubans floated on rafts to the United States. She emphasized that the centers might never be built if such an emergency did not arise.

To date there has been NO substantiated reports of KBR building anything in the United States.  A search of the net regarding KBR does indicate they have built structures in war zones, also that this group is dubious to say the least.  There are reports from female employees about brutal rapes which occurred in war zone areas where KBR was contracted in, the Pentagon in 2008 refused to investigate.  The company has the stink of slim yet nothing can be found which lends credence to Ventura’s claims.

If Ventura is looking to do service to this country as a means of information distribution, he should remain with facts which are verifiable and not go off on tangents of speculation.  The speculative nature of this show does more harm than does it help in maintaining our freedoms.  A populace informed with facts can create movement, yet skew those facts with misinformation or hyperbolical nonsense and anything the believer’s state to be true becomes discredited.

Where in the scheme of moral behavior or honor or ethics can one play loose with truths and remain creditable?   Just because you offer a small fact here, a small fact there when you tie it together with over-the-top fantasy and mistruths you have lost creditability. House bill 645 never passed, any logic which comes from the premise that this bill is law is faulty.  Ventura attempts to tie a Army Corp of Engineer contract from 2006 of $385 million to a bill sitting in committee, which by the way allocates less than half that amount should it ever reach the President’s desk.  Grave liners sitting in a storage yard of a company whose sole business focus is funeral products is not unusual and to suggest otherwise is delusional.  The Counsel of Governors as well as the Fusion Centers should remain in the focus of all patriots and Ventura would have kept some creditability had he stopped right there; but perhaps that’s not over the top enough to increase TV ratings.

We have limited time, so instead of believing a conspiracy theory in its entirety continue to believe the aspect which you know to be true and remain vigilant as to other parts of the puzzle.  Spreading and advocating conspiracy theories which you haven’t taken the time to investigate is a waste of the most precious thing we have.. time.  Time which could be better spent informing others of the tyrannical evil embodied by the political elite, those who wish to subjugate your freedom and liberty.

5 Responses to “Conspiracy Theory: “Police State””

  1. EYES WIDE SHUT says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxd_hsiZ1Ak&feature=player_embedded

    There are none so blind as those who refuse to see

    courage Reply:

    Eyes Wide Shut I would assume that the federal government would have contingency plans for major disasters or civil unrest. Plans are just that unmaterialized concepts which possess no substance, as such they hold no threat.

    If every time I hear a knock in the night I suspect evil intent, my life becomes a swirl of conspiracies which have no foundation in truth. The blind are those who attempt to create reality out of illusion. Rex 84 has been a plan since 1984 and has never been implemented, it may as well be a scheme drawn out on a napkin.

    I can say the black birds which roost on my telephone lines have been trained by the government to watch my activities. I know the government performs studies on black birds. So can I them assume their intent is to spy on my movements? We can assign nefarious intent to almost anything in life yet in doing so we often miss the threats which are happening under our nose.

    Chase your black birds, check out Rex 84 installations in or around the Valpo area.

  2. EYES WIDE SHUT says:

    If these were simply ‘contingency’ plans for some sort of ‘disaster’ that MAY or MAY NOT happen, that our benevolent federal government of motherly/fatherly protectors wants to have ready, just in the off chance they may need to ‘protect’ us… then why is the military recruiting and posting ads for “internment specialists” right now?

    http://www.infowars.com/army-national-guard-advertises-for-internment-specialists/

    Now, if infowars.com makes you uncomfortable, you can go to army.gov and find the same information

    True, there are some conspiracy nuts out there. But, is it still a conspiracy if it’s true? And, more importantly, is it still a conspiracy if you’re afraid to see it as such, deny it’s existence, make light or fun of others who see it for what it is, or if you’re afraid to be labeled a conspiracy nut because you’ve been programmed by the controlled media to do so? Sometimes, you’ve got to open your eyes all the way, and see things for what they really are. The Jews refused to believe that they’d be hauled away by the Nazis. They couldn’t believe that something like that could happen. Tragic mistake.

    courage Reply:

    First for some historical perspective, during mid-2009 there was much discussion about Gitmo prisoners being relocated on to United States soil. The Obama administration specifically pointed to various facilities which were not currently utilized for their detention, such as a super max prison in Illinois. Public reaction to moving the Gitmo detainees was primarily negative, with Congress never appropriating funds to close Gitmo or allow for the transfer of the detainees.

    With Obama as commander and chief, he has control of all aspects within the military. Does it seem so unreasonable that given his desire to open US land based prisons for the Gitmo detainees, he would not have military commanders begin the search for military personal to staff these facilities?

    Estimates at the time speculated prison staffing would require a minimum of 1,000 employees per facility. While pundits spoke in mid-2009 about the benefit these new jobs would bring communities, I cannot find anywhere Obama or Holder stating the guards would come from the civilian ranks. In fact given that the prisoners at Gitmo are there because of ties to terrorism, I know of NO military operated prison which is solely staffed by civilian personal.

    The United States Army Reserve during this time posted job placement for Internment/Resettlement Specialists. Included in the job description is the following:

    Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility.

    Now some I’m sure are saying, “LOOK, internment facilities.. I knew it.” They do this without reading the next line in the job description:

    I/R Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to U.S. military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; and coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel. (emphasis mine)

    Notice, military prisoners much like the Gitmo detainees. The terrorist which Obama wants to bring to US soil.

    Under the Army Reserve “ Advanced Responsibilities” description of duties continue and include:

    Provide command and control, staff planning, administration/logistical services, and custody/control for the operation of an Enemy Prisoner of War/Civilian Internee (EPW/CI) camp.

    Enemy prisoner of war fall within the classification of how the Gitmo detainees would be considered. Although admittedly they were called Enemy Combatants primarily since they did not wear a uniform of a specific country.

    Civilian Internee involves having to do some research, since I am sure most individuals are not familiar with the words or terms used by the military. Although I’m sure once again it is easier to jump to conclusions then to do the time consuming leg work to discover the truth.

    In following this trail, first we seek a military definition and find this for civilian internee:

    (DOD) 1. A civilian who is interned during armed conflict or occupation for security reasons or for protection or because he has committed an offense against the detaining power. 2. A term used to refer to persons interned and protected in accordance with the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, 12 August 1949 (Geneva Convention).

    The definition adds clarity and we are moving closer to understanding what exactly the Army Reserve is seeking yet looking at United States Marine Corps handbook of Enemy Prisoners of War and Civilian Internees adds insight.

    Civilian Internees (CI) are individuals who are found in the vicinity of a battle zone and may be detained according the Fourth Geneva Convention under specific guidelines.

    From page 33 of the USMC handbook:

    Protection of Civilian Internees
    1. Humane Treatment for Civilian Internees

    The Geneva Convention concerning civilians provides a list of actions you may not take against a civilian in your custody, as well as a list of actions you must take to help the civilian internees. The Geneva Convention provides a “safety net” for those civilians who are taken into custody by their enemy. A good rule of thumb for treating civilian internees is to treat them as if they were EPWs.

    The reason the handbook states treating CI’s as Enemy Prisoners of War is that the Geneva Convention deals more with the humane treatment of enemy soldiers than it does any civilian population on the battle field.

    So through this endeavor we have found that the common language use of words differ than that used by the military. Civilian internee does not refer to the general populations but to individuals on the battlefield… period. You can attempt to twist the language to mean anything you want but without context it is intellectually dishonest. I contend that this posting by the Army Reserve dated back in 2009 was a direct result of Obama looking to move Gitmo detainees to US soil.

    Now as far as your:

    And, more importantly, is it still a conspiracy if you’re afraid to see it as such, deny it’s existence, make light or fun of others who see it for what it is, or if you’re afraid to be labeled a conspiracy nut because you’ve been programmed by the controlled media to do so?

    Are you afraid of looking at the truth or are you so blind that you would rely on others vision of the world; without investigating even the most elementary aspects of what the Army is looking for in their job post? Given that I have allowed you to venture far from the originals post topic and have painstakingly provided you definitions for context, how dare you come in to my house and think you can rant about the blackbirds on the phone wires without the most fundamental aspect of knowledge.

    Believe what you want, chase your blackbirds.. I will stay vigilante regarding bona fided attacks on our freedom and liberty.